Also, someone suggested that the engine might of cut out which I never heard as an issue for that engine.A lot of theory's and conjecture which I find every theory interesting. All messages must be civil in tone; if critical, must be constructive. Second time around, the airplane's last data is 4150 (ground elevation) with an groundspeed of 80 knots. METAR:KBYI 131440Z AUTO 21008KT 2 1/2SM -SN BKN030 OVC047 M03/M06 A2997KBYI 131410Z AUTO 19008KT 1SM -SN BR BKN023 OVC028 M03/M05 A2996Track:https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N928JP/history/20220413/1300Z/KSLC/KBYI. About 0832:25, the airplane came into viewAccording to a witness, located about one quarter mile away, he first heard, then observed the airplane descend out of the clouds then immediately went into a steam cloud, . For specific information, you may request a copy of . https://imgur.com/a/7FTQ82nThe runway has no VASI, PAPI or other visual glidepath aid to indicate that you are dangerously close to hitting those obstacles. The airplane subsequently struck the smokestack and fell to the rooftop. apparently it was marginal vfr below an overcast with one mile vis. It is possible that the Pratt and Whitney PT-6-114A, 675 shp Turbine engine experienced a flameout which would result in an immediate loss of power and subsequent descent. As-flown airspeeds of two different freight company C208's approaching the Gem stacks are interesting to compare.N585SA BYI RW20 C208 VFR approaches:4/15/2022 120 knot GS + 27009KT wind component4/26/2022 096 knot GS + 22011KT wind component4/27/2022 127 knot GS + 28005KT wind componentN928JP BYI RW20 C208 VFR approach:4/04/2022 083 knot GS + 22009KT wind componentN928JP BYI RW20 C208 IMC approach w/crash:4/13/2022 081 knot GS + 19008KT wind component. Suggest you do a little searching for DG's past history/reputation. Accident investigation report completed and information captured. Additionally, with the needles centered she would have been 100 feet to the right of the stacks on a normal GPS approach.Looking at the ADS-B track on the missed it shows her at 6950 which should be coming from the GPS. People have certain biases from who was flying in any accident that makes it easy to manipulate them. 0:32. Brittney is survived by her parents, Sharon and Jim Bob Infanger, her siblings, Craig Infanger (Daria); Emily Goodrich (Robert); Branden Infanger (Annie); Jayden Infanger; Erica Hill (Taylor); Adrienne Rochleau (Chris); and her loving nieces, nephews, aunts, uncles and cousins. UPDATE- GoFund Me created to get Matt and his daughter back in the air- https://www.gofundme.com/f/lets-rebuild-matt-mansells-cessna?qid=c3a638176d86b1758473. She must have had sight of the runway lights which allowed her to descend below MDA but didn't see the smokestack. "why on God's green earth was she 100 feet AGL a half-mile from the runway" How about any number of reasons that many aircraft have crashed in VMC with the runway in sight: engine failure, icing, wind sheer, pilot incapacitation, etc. Here's what's left of the stack in question, at the 2:24 point in the video.https://youtu.be/aRN3RJaW618. A couple sleeping in the house narrowly . *(2) If you back-solve this the other way, starting from the end of the runway with a 40ft TCH vertical offset as shown on the published plate, and go up toward JAMID with a 3.75 degree slope, you still only clear the top of a 100ft AGL stack by *73 feet. If she was still in IMC after minimums, the witness and security camera would not have seen her aircraft. This one was a T210L and had been flying from Orlando, Florida, to Jackson, Tennessee. The left wing shows most of the damage where it connects to the fuselage. It is this 140 foot radio tower near the United Metals Recycling plant, which is 0.6 NM north east of the Gem State stack :https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5584036,-113.7480359,3a,86.2y,335.86h,111.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfD-logCbUr79CSW4DcVyPQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656Curiously, none of the Gem State stacks are notated anywhere on the approach plate. For rise, the difference between the uncompensated raw reported altitudes at the two points will be used. He saw the KR comments detailing 2 statute mile visibility METAR trending 2.5 miles with lowest clouds well above MDA and also the correlated and mapped descent angle calculations.Tuber commenting by the mindless fans is praising him for apologizing in what was just his latest heartless disparaging of a lost pilot for views. Amazingly, the flight could have succeeded all things else considered.The onus would appear to be on the plant and surrounding politics in this instance. If the plume broadly affected approaches, this wouldn't have been the first occurrence. Information is only available from news, social media or unofficial sources. The plane headed towards Kenedy Regional Airport prior to crashing. Preventing upper body collision with the instrument panel in relatively survivable accidents doesn't get enough consideration. Sunrise was at 6:56.She would have been accustomed to crossing the waterway with the railroad bridge in view on the right side during the last moments in the normal approach to the RW20 threshold.There is nothing to see that is even remotely similar to the waterway and RR bridge combination before reaching the tater plant. Updated design. Her distraught father, Jim Bob Infanger (right), has said " Brittney knew the area well and flew to Burley International Airport all the time". Loss of Control in Flight: Cessna 525C Citation CJ4, N614SB, fatal accident occurred . Anonymous said "On a 3 degree glidpath to LPV minimums you are 54 feet above the normal threshold. She applied power and nose up to go around but the steam cloud pulled her right into the stack.Or maybe you're smarter than the ntsb investigators right there at the scene interviewing witnesses and looking at the weather conditions and the runway and what happened? Yesterday's divert impact/scramble is fresh in dispatcher's mind.- Possible bias factors:5. As she descended she may have lost sight of the runway. All major components of the airplane remained on the rooftop. Besides, every "pilot" who mentions how "slow" an aircraft was flying based on these data have lost complete credibility and their opinions are not relevant. Ever heard of a displaced threshold? All messages must be civil in tone; if critical, must be constructive. (Note: BYI METAR winds were 200 at 7 to 8 knots during both approaches. Not exactly the type of volume that would create "a concentrated convective cell storm." This entrained air can be warmer than ambient, especially on a cold day. Bet you have very limited Actual instrument hours if any. )ADS-B shows ground speed, of course. Better yet, how about a test of your instrument skill set with added emergencies? The four Gossner Foods elevators are not on the plate or in the database. There is no indication as yet that the pilot was given the special automated report. Flaps don't seem to be deployed. Please stop commenting on things you don't even comprehend or until you bother to understand the known facts. At some time before noon on August 7, 2020, a Turbo Cessna 210 took off from Roosevelt, Utah, for a fair-weather daytime flight. The falling droplets drag air down. The Santa Monica Fire and Police Departments responded to the scene and were assisted by L.A. County Lifeguards. The two pilots in the PA-46, and the flight instructor and student pilot in the Cessna 172, were fatally injured. It sounds like your operation needs to improve its pilot evaluation, vetting, and training. That full sequence of reports showing 6, 2 1/2, 1 1/2, 1. Threshold Crossing Height is 40'. My guess is in the cold they are creating their own little obscuring weather system. The collision smokestack is directly on centerline. Many of these pilots require a certain amount of 'hand holding' before being turned loose on their own. )Would a C208 pilot purposely establish/maintain the almost 50 knot slower accident approach speed after encountering the plume on the first approach? / 45.4288; 9.2545. Quickest way to get there Cheapest option Distance between. The decision to divert was made before descending from cruise altitude. She received her private flying license in high school. I drove by there this afternoon and there is a stack to the right of the wreckage that is dented and the ladder is damaged. Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017. First of all, when is capitalism EVER unchecked? Take this for what it is - some old pilot's opinion. You just get one needle for lateral guidance, some step down altitude restrictions and an MDA. At that point, the pilot would be using external visual references or at least trying to. RIP. I am extremely sorry for her parents and other loved ones. there's no margin for error.My previous post - http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2022/04/cessna-208b-grand-caravan-n928jp-fatal.html?showComment=1650993837300#c308390018535584787 I, You are a good sport to allow me to reference the database record and dangle the alluring suggestion that the FAA obstruction record is more accurate than your assumptions. Cessna T337G Super Skymaster, N337KN: Fatal accident occurred July 17, 2022 in Gold Hill, Boulder County, Colorado . I just read it and yikes! pilots of america. The Flight Safety Emergency Checklist Memory Items for an Inadvertent Icing Encounter calls for:(1) Ignition Switch .ON(2) Inertial SeparatorBYPASS (bypasses precipitation past the intake back out in the slipstream)(3) PITOT/STATIC, STALL, WINDSHIELD, PROP, ANTI-ICEONThe FAA/NTSB Safety Investigators hopefully have noted the various switch positions of all the above, whether the Inertial Separator was placed in the BYPASS position, and whether wing flaps were selected.I am not aware of whether this was an older model of Cessna Caravan equipped with legacy round instrument gages and the old booted deice system. LINKS:Kathryns Report: http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2022/04/cessna-208b-grand-caravan-n928jp-fatal.htmlAviation Safety Network: https://aviation-safety.net/. The local city zoning allowed industry to build around the airport, not the feds. Even if you were trying to duck under, you aren't ducking at -857/min at 4800 ft. (Jamid) MDA 4560 which is 240 ft then another 406 ft 4154 elevation - 646 fpm would get you there (at 90 knots). Vertical rate was approximately 900 fpm at last point and it appears it hit some silos at a food plant. As I mentioned in a comment above, the 4304' obstacle shown on the RWY 20 approach plate plan view is NOT any of the stacks at Gem State plant. Presumably, the decision to descend from cruise altitude for BYI on the accident day followed similar protocol.Let's look at the METARs available for making the real-time decision on each of those two days:The divert from BYI to Twin Falls on the day before the accident shows up as a turn toward TWF underway at 14:52:44 Z. One correction for your analysis: The elevation of the stack she hit is 4256' MSL in the FAA's obstacle database.Using your calculation of the flight path elevation at the stack, applying the FAA's verified stack elevation revises your math to: 4,365' - 4,256' = 109'.The top of the stack is 109' below the flight path. will certainly be the tuber rallying cry long before witness location is publicized, plume data presented or VDP and MDA considerations are resolved, but that's just how everyone rolls in pursuit of views and outrage these days. It was a 100% bound to happen eventuality.I'm heartbroken it happened to such a bright and lovely soul as Brittney. The witness heard the engine increase in sound and saw the nose lift shortly before the airplane struck the smokestack and descend to the rooftop. "The silos were within TERPS requirements. @billy - No reason to expect insults. The reported weather doesn't mean anything about conditions at the accident site. 2021. Kathryn s Report Cessna 525C Citation CJ4 N614SB Fatal May 13th, 2018 - Cessna 525C Citation . The Cessna 421 plane crash was just after 11 am local time this morning. In the USA people get fed a steady diet of emotionalized and sensationalized TV and other media from an early age on around the clock and everywhere, airports, waiting rooms and especially at home. The pilot went around on the first approach well before reaching the stacks and also at over 200 feet higher. And if your flight path elevation there is correct (not saying it isn't), 4,365 is below the MDA of 4,560 so all pilots would have visual conditions before reaching it by simply following the MDA protocol.Here is the record for the stack she hit, obstruction #16-036731.16-036731 O US ID HEYBURN 42 33 05.92N 113 45 34.15W STACK 1 00100 04256 R 4 D P 2016ANM01617OE A 2017285Full stack record discussion showing the source data origin, how to decode the obstacle record and a position verification to be certain of the correct match by mapping the 42 33 05.92N 113 45 34.15W location is already posted up thread. Reply Delete. At the processing plant she is less than 1/2 mile out and should have the runway in sight and been scanning between the avionics and outside. i know what my $ is on and it isnt your theory. Newer pilot here so my apologies for any ignorance. Minor injuries to two aboard. The now prevalent hatred behaviors were trained into people by subtle but continuous nudging from news media, social media and marketing. There is a LOT of detail logged in the G1000 system onboard these aircraft. This is probably why the pilot decided to continue the approach"The eye witness account does not agree with your theory. :-)Try this, cued t=140, set it to .25 speed, 2:20 to 2:31 to see plume:https://youtu.be/fNIsBWj6nok?t=140, You might want to rethink that comment about the condensation plume from the plant being "underwhelming." KBYI has a 3.7 degree glidepath for obstacles, including the plant and the railroad brige, which would put her at 66.7 feet over the threshold and about 108 feet over the end of the displaced threshold. The plane would have yawed left, stalling the left wing and rolled inverted. )The record again, now with tolerance codes highlighted:16-036731 O US ID HEYBURN 42 33 05.92N 113 45 34.15W STACK 1 00100 04256 R 4 D P 2016ANM01617OE A 2017285For stack 16-036731, code "D" means that the declared accuracy of the recorded vertical information in AGL and MSL is +/- 50 feet, which for a 100' stack is an absurdly large tolerance. Burley Airfield should either stop 020 approaches, and/or the "Gem State Potato Processing Plant" should run a pipe up from the Snake River to condense and recover its steam inside the factory, and reposition that isolated lethal stack. Easy enough to fact check using Adsbexchange and the LiveAtc recording.Results:-Cleared for takeoff @7 minute mark on LiveAtc-ADS-B shows airborne by @23:08:23Z-Flies along coast, gets halfway to Malibu-No airspeed or altitude trouble so far-ADS-B shows a turnback starting @23:14:00-"I'd like to return" @14 minute mark LiveAtc-ADS-B speed & altitude degrading on the way back-Declares Emergency just before 16 minute mark -ATC offers "left base for runway 3" @17 minute mark-ADS-B shows crossing the pier @23:18:04Simple to listen to comm audio source files for yourself:https://www.liveatc.net/archive.phpThis accident's file is found by selecting:Date: 22 December, Time: 2300-2330Z, Feed: "KSMO Tower #1". She sounds like a bright individual gone too soon. Kathryn's Report: Most Read This Year Cessna 208B Grand Caravan, N928JP: Fatal accident occurred April 13, 2022 near Burley Municipal Airport (KBYI), Cassia County, Idaho Cirrus SR22 GTS, N24LA: Fatal accident occurred May 06, 2022 in the Atlantic Ocean near Tybee Island, Georgia Sorry your flight sim game didn't cover that. Anyone have the ATC audio? The tower was 60 agl, she lost altitude quickly when she hit the steam cloud. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N2217R/history/20220508/1750Z/KTWF/KTWF We are lucky there wasn't a second accident at KBYI! "The obstacle she hit was less than half a mile from the runway and at or below 100 AGL"Correct. I got my info from The NTSB preliminary report, WPR22FA151:A special automated weather report for BYI about the time of the accident reported 1 mile visibility in light snow and mist, broken layer at 2,300 ft above ground level (agl), overcast at 2,800 ft agl, temperature -3C, dew point temperature -5C, barometric pressure 29.96 inches of mercury. Ice forming on the intake cowling constricts the air intake. 2 Vista residents killed in small plane crash in Arizona. Fortunately, no one was hurt.The step up from the instruction/GA world to single-pilot 135 is huge. Our beautiful and beloved daughter, granddaughter, sister, niece, cousin and friend will be missed more than words can express, but she will be in all our hearts until we meet again. Newer editions of the Cessna Caravan contain updated glass instrumentation with Garmin G600 or G1000 systems and weeping wing TKS ice prevention systems.Please do not assume that classic rookie pilot mistakes are at play here. "What a bunch of BS. Subscribe to LALATE on YouTube. 560XL+ 4 fatal Connecticut. Also, if the pilot intended the first pass to inspect the runway surface and conditions, they would not have slowed down as much as on the final pass. in 'vans, always used about 95 Kts on short final, slowing to 80~85 just before touchdown (depending on load, winds, etc.). Second, if ANYTHING needs to be checked up, how about checking up our FEDERAL GOVERNMENT in WASHINGTON with out of control wasteful spending on taxpayer AND borrowed freaking MONEY!!!! Left wing may have been inertia-separated.The wrecked engine bay is visible to the right of the flipped forward pilot's door and the PT-6 air plenum is identifiable in that torn open forward bay wreckage.Kameraone.com's scene video:https://www.kameraone.com/trending-stories/#7568616, For reference, a C208B PT-6 air plenum example photo:https://media.sandhills.com/img.axd?id=7257643989&wid=4326165471&rwl=False&p=&ext=&w=0&h=0&t=&lp=&c=True&wt=False&sz=Max&rt=0&checksum=MwQ%2b3%2fmnuLw%2bzq2hh%2ftYM0KEexS1%2fpTBK5zoSVQPYb8%3d, Active snow fall is captured after the 14 second mark in this video of the crash scene. Survivors. Both wings, the propeller assembly, belly pod, and the nose wheel separated from the fuselage. Family said "he was a great guy" Must of been a mechanical problem!" I have never experienced a flameout . (Nobody commenting here so far has indicated that they looked closely and noticed the tolerance associated with specific obstruction records in the obstruction database, so it's time to shine a light on declared tolerances there. The aircrafts surfaces will be substantially sub-zero, and the droplets snap-freeze on them, further cutting lift. 0. Possible it was slightly iced during the approach to JAMID. Showing those documents as full sheet images before zooming in to a cropped section would be best. The witness heard the engine increase in sound and saw the nose lift shortly before the airplane struck the smokestack and descend to the rooftop.". With Texas Skyway 280HP conversion. A lot of conjecture in this comment, I have over 200 instrument approaches to this airport (of course all have been at minimums :-)), the silos don't come in to play, neither do the cooling towers, it is a tricky approach with a lot of thermal issues from the potato plant and river and roadways but nothing a 1500+ hour pilot can't handle. ATC videos on youtube removed dead air gaps in the audio and rammed the sequence together, creating the false impression that the emergency onset was immediately after takeoff. Oh BTW no head trauma whatsoever. It is the end of rational dialogue to follow the leftist crap who are "educating" my grandchildren. No experience on type but that seems like a big airplane for a little runway. (see threads further below), It may show in this picture where the aircraft impacted the yellow ladder apparatus and dented the smokestack. The City is grateful for Mr. Minters public service and we join his family in mourning his passing, the city said in a news release. Additionally, someone posted where the chimney was located, about 100 feet to the left. On a cold day, the 020 approach to Burley Airfield could hardly be worse. Well he set the brake and forgot to release it. Plant info says it operates 24 hours, has been in operation since 2011.Presumably the NTSB is evaluating appropriate airspeed for the accident day combination of two approach exposures to potential mist and light snow airframe ice contamination, considering the minus 3 C / 27 F temperature reported at the airfield. (ADS-B granularity in increments of 25 feet altitude, with rounding and accuracy limitations in FlightAware's processed data reduces precision, but attempting to compensate each point for local pressure variation from 29.92 is eliminated by this technique. Lack of hours? Advertisement. The information contained in this record should be the most current Airworthiness information available in the historical aircraft record. Also, from a 2020 article:"Both Rex and Doris have been avid aviators since 1948. Easy enough to black out signatures.Was he given permission to take that marker light?You wouldn't think that an expert would expect a strobe light instead of the red marker to be placed that close to the airport, given the easy to find advisory circular guidance, as noted in a previous comment:http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2022/04/cessna-208b-grand-caravan-n928jp-fatal.html?showComment=1650238952384#c1446716018867091538. I would really like to see some *measured* data of the actual height of that tower before it was razed, as well as its MSL elevation. Easy to answer. suppose that building had been painted with a bold pattern and say a big potato image - no chance of mistaking that for a runway. Looked for photos of how "recently" roof stacks existed there. A 21-month-old baby boy has died and a woman has sustained "life . We have 789 CESSNA Aircraft For Sale. . The reported ceilings were well above the MDA, so unless you were sitting in the cockpit next to the pilot, you have no idea if they could make out the runway or not when they passed the MDA. So, again, false. Don't bust minimums, ladies and gents. From the preliminary ntsb report:"According to a witness, located about one quarter mile away, he first heard, then observed the airplane descend out of the clouds then immediately went into a steam cloud, which was produced from a set of six smokestacks located on the same roof. How could anyone be up here, see Gods creation, and doubt His love? she had asked. The last "reliable" data point on ADS-B was @ 08:32:25 at an altitude of 4150' MSL and a position of 42.5520,-113.7592 which is almost directly at the stack. Rest easy. Kathryn's Report: Judge Awards $11.9 Million in Suit Against Civil Air Patrol: Beechcraft 95-B55 Baron, N36638, Executive Aircraft Storage LLC, fatal accident occurred February 22, 2014 at LaGrange Callaway Airport (KLGC), Troup County, Georgia. GMAFB.And insulting me (or trying to) doesn't speak to the weakness of my position, but rather the weakness of yours. Her life was not any more valuable because she was pretty. Survivors. I will say that the analyses here have been very well thought out and thought provoking. The April 4 METAR headwind of 9 knots at the time is added to the ground speeds, making airspeed 96 knots in the 09:53:05 AM April 4 data point (note that the arcing track getting from the 09:52:44 to the 09:53:05 data point is actually a further distance than straight line, making the true airspeed slightly higher):April 4 METARS (from mesonet.agron.iastate.edu):KBYI 041350Z AUTO 22009KT 10SM CLR 04/M08 A2975KBYI 041353Z AUTO 23009KT 10SM CLR 05/M08 A2975For the accident day, the April 13 METAR headwind of 8 knots at the time is added to the ADS-B reported ground speeds.At 21 seconds before reaching the tater building's edge and 300 feet higher, airspeed was 81 + 8 = 89 knots:Wed 10:32:04 AM 42.5578 -113.7532 216 81 93 4,450 -750http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.5578+-113.7532At reaching the edge of the building, 80 + 8 = 88 knots: Wed 10:32:25 AM 42.5520 -113.7592 217 80 92 4,150 -857http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.5520+-113.7592. Once, when flying with her sister, they looked out at the mountains, trees, and clouds, marveling at the beauty. It is staggering that the FAA, local airport authority, and board of the "Gem State Potato Processing Plant" allowed this appalling situation. Watching dockets and following up can reveal that as much as everyone hopes otherwise, pilot decision making really was the undoing.The CVR transcript has finally been placed in the docket for the November 30, 2019 crash of N56KJ in Chamberlain. Former Santa Monica Mayor Rex Minter died when a small plane crashed on the beach just south of the Santa Monica Pier Thursday afternoon, officials confirmed. I am sorry she killed herself and thankful she did not injure or kill anything else. MDA's are there for a reason. It wasn't.See later comment down thread for time hacks/ADS-B correlation. October 10, 2021 9:53am. From the approach plate "RNAV (GPS) RWY 20 Burley Muni BYI": The approach path angle is 3.75 degrees. The pilot, a 73-year-old female, was taken to the hospital with moderate injuries and is "expected to be okay," the city announced on Facebook.People reported the crash off of Buena Vista Drive around 2:40 p.m. on January 1. advisory GS, that would have put her 50-60' below MDA. It is a much cruder method of societal control than winning over people by debating and logical analysis. Remember, is was a cold, snowy morning, with very limited visibility, and according to the AWOS at the time of the crash, the temperature/dewpoint spread was only two degrees; in other words a very nearly saturated atmosphere. I read all the comments. Accident Investigation report not yet completed, but information verified through authorities or other sources. However the one eye witness tells a different story.
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