linda kasabian daughter tanya

The couple divorced and she married again to Robert Kasabian. I think my age (time to come full circle) gives me an advantage to understand some things others don't have.I have (after many years) had discussions with folks that I had "conflicts" with (earlier in life) and almost always THEY saw the "conflict" in a DIFFERENT light than ME. Because certainly the message couldn't be, "sorry you're in jail bud, but we kicked started a global race war last night".Lol. When family members have secretly filmed some of the goings on, it's hard to get the resultant film out of one's mind and just as hard not to apply the contents to everyone in that line of work. But so much was made of that in the aftermath of her 2009 revelation by those that thought they'd found Linda's smoking gun, that the facts were not examined and as a result, what is in fact a rather damp squib is felt by some to be the tip of the iceberg of Kasabianesque deception.During her time on the stand, lots of really interesting, but essentially unimportant stuff was brought out by the defence lawyers, Fitzgerald & Kanarek in particular. I am and was a good friend of Linda's. It means nothing moreExcept that his 'opinion' was that of the prosecutor that went towards the securing of the conviction. Linda gave birth to a daughter Tanya in 1968. I'm not even convinced 100% she was ever standing on that sidewalk nor am I convinced she wasn't inside the house (yes, I see the inconsistency). Manson Mythos saidAbout the license, it had to be expiredNo it didn't.Bugliosi said that was the ONLY reason she was "picked"Exactly. I did know that that was, the plan was to murder two women inside the house. Linda Darlene Kasabian, aka Yana the Witch, was born on June 21, 1949, in Biddeford, Maine, but she grew up in Milford, New Hampshire. Her father, Rosaire, was a construction worker and the family faced financial difficulties. I do agree that some things are unclear even prior to Sebring being shot {such as exactly when the women were told that murder was on the agenda that night and how long they had to process this info}. Then and there ? Linda Kasabian was born Linda Drouin on June 21, 1949 in Biddeford, Maine. I kept wondering what the relevance was. Besides the motives of Manson's passion for violent death and his extreme anti-establishment state of mind, the evidence in this trial will show that there was a further motive for these murders." By his closing argument, he calls it the main and principle one ! That's because sometimes, my thoughts on part of something that someone has said aren't formulated at the moment that I'm answering but other things that have been said have sparked off my train of thought or brought up an answer or a question.Other times, I'll need to do a bit of research so an answer won't be forthcoming straight away.Other times, just in general thought, I might have a sudden insight on something someone has said because I've been thinking about it; but that might be days later.I hope that's what you mean. Its been awhile but I think I recall she said she took his wallet. At one point he actually criticizes one of the defence lawyers for calling a witness without having spoken to them.I thought all lawyers know what they want those that matter to hear ! But the people who count are the ones who did the crime. That Tex was the nicest guy. I believe she was not and the same applies on my end. In his closing argument, he uttered some very telling words, namely; "The motives that the co~defendants, the actual killers, had, on the other hand, was a very simple motive. Linda Kasabian falls prey to the hypnotic charms of Charles Manson and his self-proclaimed "family" during the drug-fueled summer of 1969. She answered the follow up question and confirmed her understanding of the arrival time. Her father was a construction worker and her mother a stay-at-home parent. in other words, you have no arguement. People who developed life long drinking and smoking weeds habbits as 15 and 16 year old's with no steady parental influence. I try to do that. Susan's deal was that nothing she said could be used against any of her co~defendants and there was no evidence that Linda had been along on either night.Atkins claimed that the prosecution steered her into recanting but it was she who kept insisting on seeing Charlie, after which, she recanted.One wonders how he would have spun Sadie if he needed her instead of turning this obvious piece of trash into a little angel? linda kasabian daughter tanya INTRO OFFER!!! Usually, when I'm reading them, I try to guess who has written them before I get to the end. )I don't see her as having a personality disorder, just a consistently lawless mindset, which doesn't invalidate her ability or sometime willingness to do what is right. In 1968, the couples first daughter Tanya was born. Though it may sound like an almost insane point to make, I think that the real loser in the entire saga was indeed Linda. His questioning of her at the Grand jury didn't minimize the horrors of what she was about. I think it's just Pat being nervous and trying to show that they were meant to kill everyone in the house. She swore before a Grand Jury, that under the direction of Charlie Manson, she stabbed actress Sharon Tate to death and had participated in the murder of music teacher Gary Hinman.During her grand jury testimony, Atkins testified that there was no limit to what . All the stuff we're interested in wasn't of such weighty consideration for a jury that wanted facts about who did what and why and were they guilty ?And there are times her testimony 'just don't make no sense'There were times when Kanarek's questions just made no sense ! But Bugliosi it appears killed two birds with one stone. I believe, in fact I know, others were present when he was killed who were never even charged. And there are events that logically it seems she had to see that she says she didn't. Aside from what she wrote, in her 1978 parole hearing she stated "so that at the time that even that I was on the witness stand and gave all my testimony, at that time of my testimony, I was expecting any day really for the world to come to an end at that point on the witness stand. After the bulk of her testifying, the judge was petitioned and he signed the papers.How does Linda represent the "Human" side of the Manson story?? There is no online registration for the intro class Terms of usage & Conditions But it's slippery ground to go with either, if you want to keep Charlie out of all this. Murder Cases of the Twentieth Century - Biographies and Bibliographies of 280 Convicted or Accused Killers, discrepancies between evidence and narrative, discrepancies between physical evidence and testimony, Manson Exposed A Reporter's 50 Year Journey into Madness and Murder, Manson Speaks: Inside the Mind of a Madman, MANSON The Live and Times of Charles Manson, movie review. It was better for him to say nothing at all and deny any knowledge or complicity than it would have been for him to start opening doors and admitting that he'd known what was in the wind. She was in search of love, freedom and God. The two traveled the country, enjoying the hippie lifestyle from commune to commune. But telling Charlie "You drive" and "I'm not you Charlie" was OK? You are trained, instead, to focus on "indicia of credibility and reliability". She let the cat out of the bag about so many other things. If that had been the motive, there wouldn't have been any need to stab Voytek Frykowski fifty-one times, to hit him thirteen times over the head and shoot him twice. I think there is a tendency to look at Kasabian's involvement through the lens provided by what we know (or believe or have been told to believe ) from where we sit today. You are all welcome. You can correct me on that one. Dreath saidIf you really want my opinion- to me it confirms she had no intention of testifyingAnd yet, she did testify.I agree with you to an extent. She had married a man named Robert Kasabian and given him a daughter with a second child on the way. No big deal. You know, had she said those things during her first trial and got death, then the death penalty was overturned as it was, she'd possibly be out now. Linda Kasabian thought they were on another burglary attempt; however, she soon saw Charles Watson shoot and kill a teenager, Steven Parent, who had come to meet the housekeeper. That makes Ms. Kasabian (as the key witness) a bit of pet project of mine. It also partly explains why she never went to LE {not that that was uppermost in her considerations !}. Neither Susan nor Linda were major league contributors to HS in the grand scheme of things.I guess we'll never know, but there are many people wondering how different things would have been had Pat never daubed "Healter Skelter" on the LaBianca's fridge.There are several occasions where he brings out testimony he doesn't need for a conviction just to make her look goodThere are more than several occasions when Kanarek brings out testimony he doesn't really need just to make her look bad. Manson Blog Proves the Updated Manson File is Fiction! We don't know you wouldn't strangle a Granny or torch a house while it's occupants are asleep.We don't know she didn't take part in acts of violence. No dont stop Dreathwhat happens next ? That gives it more weight than retrospective opinions which sometimes is a good thing, but sometimes is not as in what LVH was ultimately charged with. Manson, the mastermind criminal with an "uncanny ability" to brainwash people sent a girl who was on the ranch for a only a few weeks out on a murder mission, and didn't tell her the plan apparently.because she was licensed to drive?NOW. "I am here because I wanted to tell the truth. I'm not sure how the neglect of Ruth's teen years inures her from criticism but not Linda. Manson himself went inside and tied the victims and then left along with her and few others instructing the rest of the family members to kill them. There is some fiddling and fuddling around the issue, all three men clarify that it was to be so but none of them ever push Susan or Leslie on it because the 2nd death squad didn't actually do anything. var part1 = "deb"; But I can't see that all of the chronology matters. Clear and simple, murder. Pat, in Guinn's book, presents herself as not wanting the murders to happen, going so far as to say that the following night at Waverley, before anthing happened with Rosemary, she prayed to God, asking him to make the murders stop and since she went ahead and exercised her own free will in participating in carnage and mutilation and God didn't strike her down and stop her, Leslie or Tex, she's not believed in God since that night.And she has a problem with Linda presenting herself as not being a willing participant.As a side issue, if Linda hadn't been at the car when they arrived at it after Cielo's action, would they have just driven off and left her ? It had to be her DL and it was rejected due to being expired it.This supports the copy cat motive. In my opinion then and only then does the 'immunity' award begin to raise doubts in the minds of the jurors regarding her credibility. It seemed to make little difference because when push came to shove, the jury wanted to know what happened during those two nights of murder and all the sidetracking in the world couldn't get in the way of that. Why? And Ruthann ended up turning out ok- even more of a reason phrases like "Dark to Light" apply- if you have to use them at all.I admit I am a little surprised people will defend Linda Kasabian so fiercely. Dreath saidThat's what makes this incident get a 'don't make no sense' label from meIt made sense to me. The people I have met who support Charlie cant stand her. Q (by Bugliosi). And let's not even go there with Tex and his backward Shakespearean mono~dimensional twang. Bob Kasabian wanted to go and storm the castle gates to retrieve Tonya but that would have resulted in danger for all 3 Kasabians. She married, divorced, remarried, and gave birth to a daughter in 1968. Manson Mythos saidThe recent revelation of the close proximity of the apartment where Saladin Nader allegedly lived and the HQ of the Straight Satans is something that cannot be dismissed as pure CoincidenceOf course it can !In a city where different Family members had various dealings, if some of those places were near each other, what is unusual about that ? Linda probably came from a home where she was ignored, and didn't have much direction or discipline, hence her making extremely poor choices in life, even as recent as 1997. Thank you, orwhut, for lightening the mood. And I find it hard to believe that Bugliosi was so stupid as to not check either, knowing that his case would be seriously compromised if it came out that LK had no valid licence.Incidentally, it was Bugliosi and Bugliosi alone that speculated that the the only reason Linda was along both those nights was because she was the only one left with a valid driving licence, being that Mary was in the clink. Now I wonder IF her previously hidden past was NOT fairly typical for many young folks brought up in almost meaningless environments all across America and beyond its borders.AND now look at Donald Trump's legal "draft dodging" exploits and how THEY are going to lead to the EXPOSURE of many notable "closet cowards" amongst our sacred "establishment." It's questionable to anybody with an objectionable mind who can smell bullshit. One either believes it or one doesn't. I think it gives some fairly revealing insights into Kasabian's personality (disorder?) "At what price, my friend? "We'd got the indictments. I read it otherwise. Lynn,I love a story with a good narrator and Bill's voice is excellent for what he does. We may be more sophisticated now {or maybe just more easily sucked in by salacious red herrings} but the jury often gets a bad press, being portrayed as ignorant ding~a~lings that were easily swayed by Nixon {never mind that some of them had no time for Nixon} whereas if you ask me, they were pretty conscientious for the most part.On top of that, Linda bared all, which made it difficult for any historical shit to stick. My number was never called. After the trials, Linda escaped the public eye by going back to New Hampshire. As we all know Linda Kasabian was born Linda Darlene Drouin on June 21, 1949. SorryDo no such thing ! So if I appear to be defending her or anyone else that is generally presented as unsavoury, it's because I think there should be a balance to anyone spoken about.Even Charles Watson. She was last reported to be living with Tanya in Washington State. Saint- I commend you for your deletions. But I'd force myself to read them just in case I missed something.And I still did ! Only the main core of 20 to 30 stayed consistently. There is an interesting quote from Fleischmann in an issue of the Free Press prior to Kasabian becoming the star witness. I gotta say I lean to the Saint here. And IF a soldier goes out NOW and shoots-up the town, it's likely because HE has PTSD.I recently heard that the police chief of a major city was going to bring in "grief" counselers to treat his officers for mental "trama," because some of THEIR buddies were KILLED in a shoot-out with a crazy guy. How do we know she didn't take part in some act of violence?Lo' and be hold, Bugliosi had a perfect scenario to answer this very important question and yet, when one looks at where that apartment was, it seems like another kill two birds with one stone job. That's where I've found some of the trial and grand jury testimonies and police and lawyer interviews and magazine articles from 1969/70 invaluable.Remember, she too was indicted following the Grand Jury Which Bugliosi didn't jump for joy about. They can't both be right, correct, so pick one. Grim, I have to disagree with you a bit. How many of us became murderers or aided and abetted murder? ?Hmmmmm..perhaps I just tend to read through different lenses at times St, but my abiding memories of the Bugliosi~Kasabian makeover are of Vincey describing her and her testimony as "frank and repulsively truthful" and telling Laurence Merrick that he would have gone for a 2nd degree murder charge against her. Do you hate everyone who was of draft age during the Vietnam era. Maybe the pity you have for Linda- who walked away free (That She blew it is her own fault)- would be better served to the people affected by what she helped do??? A British rock band is named after her too. Besides, counsellor, J. Edgar Hoover head your the FBI agrees with me. A Conversation with Johnny Ussery- The Then 7 year old son of Clyda Dulaney! I don't like that Martin Luther King was supposedly caught on tape cheating on his wife but even if true, it wouldn't invalidate some of the good things he did. She chose to be the way she was and then she eventually became the same kind of parent that Diane and Ruth had.So Sad. Did both sides not do that quite a lot though ? It was through Charles Melton that she came into contact with Catherine Gypsy Share, a member of Manson family. At the very least, he was an accessory before the fact in that particular crime. It just raises for me the specter that if there was more planning .by whom? She chose to be the way she wasBut not in a vacuum. Early on at least however, Atkins was under the impression that doing whatever Tex told them to do meant "Charlie has instructed, OK'd and ratified this. Parent.2. Manson Mythos saidHere is a fact: Krenwinkel never said the motive was Helter SkelterShe definitely believed in it though. I try not to view life in a binary way. Afterwhich, Manson dropped Linda, Sadie, and Clem off at a Venice Beach apartment complex. Those who became 18 before 1980. Same with Shea. Linda on the other hand, understood it on a level but it hadn't taken a major grip on her consciousness. When I've told people of how I came to be living there and what I experienced in those 4 years and how I got away, people think it's ever such a dramatic tale. That was about all we had" speaks volumes, not to mention his thought at the end of '69 that Manson could well be acquitted and his feeling that it could turn out to be better for Linda to be tried & acquitted than testify against the Family.there are occasions too numerous to count in the Tate-LaBianca trial where he 'leads' his key witness to the answer he wantsTrue, but it's an answer that he wants already knowing that answer. In his testimony Clem part corroborated Linda's account and Susan part did to both Richard Caballero and the Grand jury and then later when she was writing her books.and yet, when one looks at where that apartment was, it seems like another kill two birds with one stone job. He wasn't even charged with shooting Lotsapoppa, but we all know it happened..The question: what if she was ASKED?She wasn't asked, she was told. I certainly wouldn't rely on it for back up proving Linda to be dodgy. The stuff written at Waverley gave the prosecution case legs, backbone and a gravitas it might not otherwise have had.Another interesting point: Kasabian never said the motive was Helter SkelterAlso important and true. Bugliosi said. That is just an elementary interpretation that most will have.But now, nearly fifty years later, allot of folk want to cut the girls a bit of slack - primarily because they all seem(ed) to have repented and become what most would call "nice people".But you don't find many, if any, willing to cut the two Charles any slack. It's always the Charlie supporters who make those statements and spread those stories about other motives. Why not that? Now taken into considering the location this apparently took place. What did Saint do now? Manson Blog Reveals Bobby Beausoleil's "Art" Focuses on Child Domestic Discipline! It was done with no thought, " may offer a window into the confusion and their lack of planning and co~ordination. I wonder if that cabinet they found Manson in was more importantyou know, you had to go through a wardrobe to get there. On August 8, 1969, Kasabian and. St Circumstance saidThis is a girl who started breaking laws at a very young age. She later remarried and had a daughter; however, the marriage was not stable again. It was at this point of time that she got associated with the Manson family and became a part of their horrific crimes. "Oh yes, Mr Pritchard has been convicted in the past of robbing banks, but he lives at home and looks after his elderly and disabled Mother and his wayward sister's troubled child..". Back then British law was tough. :). Who should we rely upon? She participated in terrible crimes, and then left her child with the people who she knew committed them.Then she flipped on those people too.Who could trust Linda? After they are convicted they need to embrace the official narrative or they don't get outYet the reality is that Bobby Beausoleil, Pat Krenwinkel, Charles Watson, Bruce Davis, Susan Atkins and Leslie Van Houten have all subsequently deviated from the official record. Did YOU ever THINK "What was HE doing up there?" Like how about BILL Clinton. Also Known As: Linda Darlene Kasabian, Linda Darlene Drouin, Spouse/Ex-: Robert Peasley (m. 1965 div.. 1966). // -->, Manson Blog Tour 2020! Over here in England, working as a care assistant in a home for the elderly is not really seen as particularly caring work much of the time, it's often seen as a job anyone can do that wants to earn definite {low} money and the overwhelming majority of care workers I've known have not been native to these shores. The idea of Charles Manson symbolizing evil is daft to me ~ even though I think he is guilty of what he was convicted for. That's why she denied any knowledge of the LaBianca murders, but accidentally slipped up and supplied information helpful with Tate. Linda purposely brought Sadie and Clem to the wrong door, and the mission was aborted. Attack me again or some shit? I don't care if he lived another two hundred years of apparent decency - the amount of evil that he generated in that August month was just to extreme to ever cut him any slack. RH: no that's not what I am saying. At the age of sixteen, she married but it ended in a divorce. Ask yourself: if her story is not accurate why didn't she just tell the truth? In the most beloved profession in America we are trained to disregard the Parry Mason notion of courtrooms: someone actually out and out lying on the witness stand. It was through Melton that Linda first met Manson family member Catherine Share (Gypsy). Bill Kurtis can make it sound like the best name ever. That's the point lol. As soon as Atkins testifies Bugliosi has a pretty good case against Kasabian. AustinAnn74 saidI never thought she was an innocent flower childOf her being a Hippie he commented that "if any witness was ever placed under a microscope, it was Linda Kasabian, and I am convinced that each and every one of you saw the same thing under that microscope, a young hippie girl whose aimless drug oriented life tragically led her to Spahn Ranch, Charles Manson, and two nights of murder ~ two nights of horror"Hippies were not seen as the vanguard of morality or these nice folk that straight society looked to as the shining example of what young people were to be. Linda Kasabian, the one member of the Manson Family who escaped jail, now lives a quiet life in in Tacoma, Washington. Sure, I see all that but what are the statistics for us on this site related to those issues? Went to high school with her in Milford, NH. Even though she was present at both the Tate and LaBianca murders, because she was the key witness in District Attorney Vincent Bugliosi's prosecution of Charles Manson and his followers for the 1969 killings, Kasabian received immunity. In March of 1968, Linda and Bob had their first child, Tanya. Man, that got ugly in a hurry.